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	<title>Comments on: Testing Anyone? Why DM Copywriters &amp; Clients Need to Test More</title>
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		<title>By: Roberta Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.copywritingmaven.com/2008/06/why-dm-testing-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-1551</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@WD - you&#039;d think so, wouldn&#039;t you? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@WD &#8211; you&#8217;d think so, wouldn&#8217;t you? <img src='http://www.copywritingmaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Website Design</title>
		<link>http://www.copywritingmaven.com/2008/06/why-dm-testing-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>Website Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the old saying you can&#039;t improve what you don&#039;t measure applicable here? Doesn&#039;t every marketer want to improve their conversion rates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the old saying you can&#8217;t improve what you don&#8217;t measure applicable here? Doesn&#8217;t every marketer want to improve their conversion rates?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground</title>
		<link>http://www.copywritingmaven.com/2008/06/why-dm-testing-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James: You said &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I find most clients don’t want to / aren’t interested in the rigor required by testing. Too much transparency, they might look bad.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No kidding. I dubbed it the Conspiracy of Silence, watching how ad agencies and corporate marketing folks steadfastly refused to test or even generate worthwhile metrics around their work, largely due to fear about the outcome. 

Roberta: You have a point about the name calling. Marketers can be a dour lot to begin with; what would we do for fun?

&lt;em&gt;Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/06/12/for-10hour-you-should-write-perfect-copy-and-lots-of-it/&#039;&gt;For $10/Hour, You Should Write “Perfect” Copy, and Lots Of It&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: You said<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;I find most clients don’t want to / aren’t interested in the rigor required by testing. Too much transparency, they might look bad.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>No kidding. I dubbed it the Conspiracy of Silence, watching how ad agencies and corporate marketing folks steadfastly refused to test or even generate worthwhile metrics around their work, largely due to fear about the outcome. </p>
<p>Roberta: You have a point about the name calling. Marketers can be a dour lot to begin with; what would we do for fun?</p>
<p><em>Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/06/12/for-10hour-you-should-write-perfect-copy-and-lots-of-it/'>For $10/Hour, You Should Write “Perfect” Copy, and Lots Of It</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.copywritingmaven.com/2008/06/why-dm-testing-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James -I often hear &quot;Don&#039;t worry about it, Roberta&quot; or &quot;We&#039;re in a time/money crunch&quot;, etc. All short-term thinking which, to my mind, seems to be getting shorter all the time.

@Tom - No question that DM testing $$$, online essentially free but it never fails to amaze me that even then few of my clients are actively testing/analyzing their results. As far as your last statement, well, the name calling is essentially the marketing foreplay. I&#039;d miss it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James -I often hear &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry about it, Roberta&#8221; or &#8220;We&#8217;re in a time/money crunch&#8221;, etc. All short-term thinking which, to my mind, seems to be getting shorter all the time.</p>
<p>@Tom &#8211; No question that DM testing $$$, online essentially free but it never fails to amaze me that even then few of my clients are actively testing/analyzing their results. As far as your last statement, well, the name calling is essentially the marketing foreplay. I&#8217;d miss it. <img src='http://www.copywritingmaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground</title>
		<link>http://www.copywritingmaven.com/2008/06/why-dm-testing-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-1512</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the article, they&#039;re talking about direct mail, where testing can be difficult, so it&#039;s often underutilized.

In online marketing, testing really has come into its own; the problem isn&#039;t testing or getting data, it&#039;s interpreting it. 

The holy grail now seems to be finding new metrics to measure things like engagement, and I&#039;d love to someday measure long-term values like lifetime customer value. It&#039;s one area where brand marketers and direct response specialists could meet (sans name calling).

&lt;em&gt;Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/06/10/learn-the-secret-of-success-of-the-worlds-greatest-chessplayer-making-fantasy-pay/&#039;&gt;Learn the Success Secret of the World’s Greatest Chessplayer: Making Fantasy Pay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the article, they&#8217;re talking about direct mail, where testing can be difficult, so it&#8217;s often underutilized.</p>
<p>In online marketing, testing really has come into its own; the problem isn&#8217;t testing or getting data, it&#8217;s interpreting it. </p>
<p>The holy grail now seems to be finding new metrics to measure things like engagement, and I&#8217;d love to someday measure long-term values like lifetime customer value. It&#8217;s one area where brand marketers and direct response specialists could meet (sans name calling).</p>
<p><em>Tom Chandler/Copywriter Underground&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/06/10/learn-the-secret-of-success-of-the-worlds-greatest-chessplayer-making-fantasy-pay/'>Learn the Success Secret of the World’s Greatest Chessplayer: Making Fantasy Pay</a></em></p>
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